Wednesday, January 27, 2010

Not All Women's Rights Are Right

The following is a list of some of the rights women should have:
  • The right to have any job that a man can have, and get paid the same amount for it.
  • The right to work outside the home, if she so chooses.
  • The right to be a stay at home mom, if she so chooses.
  • The right to breastfeed in public.
  • The right to be treated equally with men.
  • The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
In 1973 in the United States, women were granted a right that is outright wrong, and that is the right to kill her unborn child via abortion. This right is just as wrong as the right Americans were given many years ago to own slaves. Americans finally came to realize that slavery was wrong, and made slavery illegal. Americans, and the entire world, need to realize that nobody should have the right to take anyone's life, no matter what their stage of development. Women, men, and children, both born and unborn, have the right to life, liberty, and the the pursuit of happiness. Women who experience unwanted pregnancies are in very difficult circumstances, without a doubt, but disposing of an unborn child is never a viable solution. 


  1. I think you meant to say this:

    "Men and children, both born and unborn, have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

    If you do not beleive in the right to abortion, you do not believe in a woman's right to liberty.

  2. No, I meant exactly what I said. A woman or man's right to liberty should not give them the right to take away another human being's right to life and liberty, including the preborn.

  3. If you force a woman through a pregnancy, you're taking away her liberty. In what other situation does a person have the right to use another persono's body against his or her will? No such right exists.

  4. How does making a woman an unwilling incubator not infringe on her liberties? If you give the unborn rights, where do you draw the line? Is it okay to force a woman to stay on bed rest for months (has happened), or have a c-section against her will (has happened), or throw her in jail for drinking during her pregnancy or not taking pre-natal vitamins? Where is the line?

  5. Haha. "Women should be equal, and have liberty... except when they're pregnant." That's EXACTLY what this post says.

  6. Where will YOU draw the line at killing? If you deny personhood to one sector of the population, you can deny it to another, too. Who's next? The elderly? The comatose? There can be no liberty without life first-if you are unwilling to have that most basic right denied you, how can you be anything but the worst kind of hypocrite when you deny it to others?

  7. Anon: I draw the line at fully formed beings that can function without relying on another fully functioning being. And by "rely" I do not mean financially. A fetus meets the definition of a parasite, "an animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); it obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host," which is what I mean by "relying." Your argument is fallacious and nonsensical. How about you answer my argument with an answer rather than with a return argument that is in no way like mine.

  8. You're welcome to prove that hypothesis. Modern science has already disproved that particular bit of rhetoric. A fetus is a human being in it's earlies stage of development. It's dependence on it's mother only serves to illustrate it's humanity. Only one of our own species could have so complex an interchange, unless of course you believe in the old 'swallow a watermelon seed' type of hogwash. Your rhetorical statement serves only to attempt to dehumanize the unborn. We start out human and end human. Your logic (or lack thereof) fails. Unless perhaps you are claiming you started out as something else? Human beings are no more plants or parasites than they are dinner plates. Millions of people throughout history have died by the very rhetoric you cling to. By the same logic, abortion fits the definition of murder down to the last detail. Prove you started out as a parasite. Modern embryologists have already proved you wrong.

  9. Anon: If you can take the fetus out at 3 weeks and it can live without me, YOU can have it. The point is I don't want it and YOU can't make me keep it. At early stages, a human fetus differs very little from the fetus of an elephant or dolphin or many other mammals. The only thing that makes it "human" is that it is carried by a human. But nobody, not even a fetus, can trump what I want for myself. Fortunately for me, I live in Canada where my government lets me make decisions for myself.

  10. Here we get to the heart of the matter and the crux of the prochoice ideoogy-'what I want for myself.' Thanks for admitting it. What a pathetic, narrow-minded existence. Enjoy your solitude. Still waiting for you to prove the fetus is a parasite. And you can go on to prove that the DNA of an unborn human is the same as an elephant while you're at it, since you brought it up. Happy googling.

  11. Once again it boils down to whether a fetus is a human being that deserves to live, or if it is a non-human that can be disposed of. Religion aside, anyone who thinks a fetus is anything other than a human being at an early stage of development is doing nothing but justifying abortion. To think a fetus is anything other than a human being is illogical and not based in science. What pro-choice people don't understand is the concept of self-sacrifice: subjugating one's own wants for the needs of another. I've heard pro-choice people refer to abortion doctors as "heroes". A woman who sacrifices her wants and endures an unwanted pregnancy for the sake of her unborn child's life is the true hero.

  12. Pro-life men really have no business telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies. I'm really sick and tired of it. Just leave women alone and let fetuses die.

  13. What you are really advocating for is forced birth, as in against the mother's will. The "pre born" are also pre human, WITHOUT the same rights as those of us who are in the human class.

    A little too much patriarchy for me.

    You think women should be equal until they don't want to obey the patriarchal insanity, and then we should FORCE them into something "for their own good".

    None of this even addresses the impact of being unwanted on the child's life. You fundies should put your money where your mouth is and step up to adopt every child who would be aborted. But no, you want to issue the edicts that cause others suffering. All you really need now is some sort of a robe and a long gray beard, and you can be an Ayatollah too!

    Next you will want to publicly cane women for drinking alcohol, or expressing themselves by wearing clothing that the patriarchy does not sanction. After all, those things would really be "for their own good" too right? You guys should really come on out of the middle ages, it is nice in the 21st century. Of course, you would have to leave all of your judgment and self righteousness behind, so never mind.

  14. Hey paul...

    What's your view about rape victims? your view about pregnancies that can/will be fatal to the parent? You cannot justify one side of the coin without looking at another, and anyone who would glady try to pass a anti-abortion law that would both endanger a pre-existing life, or that would cause untold mental and emotional stress on a individual who was forced into the situation, has ZERO right to say anything. And there is no "middle ground" here. It is the right of the mother, and the knowledge of their body, to determine if they can, or will, carry a child. And that right should never be taken away.

  15. If you want to reduce abortions promote birth control, female education, reduction of domestic violence, better child care options, reduce health care costs. In general increase the status of women especially poor women. And while you are at it, go out and adopt or foster a child who is in the system currently becuase they are far too many who aren't being taken care of.

    "A woman who sacrifices her wants and endures an unwanted pregnancy for the sake of her unborn child's life is the true hero."

    Yeah becuase all these women want to do is get back to partying and being selfish. Y'know none of them are trying to just survive themselves.


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