Wednesday, January 20, 2010

U.S. Representative Trent Franks on Abortion, Slavery, and Personhood

U.S. Representative Trent Franks of Arizona gave a talk recently regarding abortion, slavery, and personhood. He made several excellent points in his talk, especially how people dehumanize the human fetus in order to make abortion seem morally acceptable. He was also right-on when he referred to abortion as a "holocaust".

When it comes to the abortion issue, Representative Franks "gets it". Do you?

7 comments:

  1. Oh, look. Another anti that's comparing peaceful people to Nazis. You should know better than to spread this hatred, Paul.

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  2. ProChoiceGal - Thank you for your response. It's interesting how you call Representative Franks hateful for showing compassion for unborn human beings, and in the same breath call people "peaceful" who support laws that legalize the killing of the helpless and defenseless unborn. I think you have it backwards.

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  3. You don't think it's hateful to falsely accuse people of being Nazis? Really? I find that it's not only hateful towards pro-choice people, but that it's potentially insulting to survivors of the Holocaust, and to those who are related to survivors. Have you EVER thought about who you might be hurting when you go around hurling insults like that?

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  4. ProChoiceGal - I don't think anyone that refers to abortion as a holocaust is accusing pro-choice people of being Nazis. According to the MSN Encarta dictionary, holocaust is defined as "destruction of human life: wholesale or mass destruction, especially of human life (http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861676474/holocaust.html). That is exactly what abortion is, regardless of what happened in Nazi Germany. I believe that anyone who supports laws that legalize abortion are supporting this holocaust. How can my statements be insulting to survivors of the holocaust of the Jews during WWII, or their relatives? Rather than be insulted, I would think that they would be horrified that what happened to the Jews all those years ago is now being done to unborn children today. If anything, I would think they would want to fight the massive injustice that is being done to the unborn by supporting the pro-life movement. In doing so, they would help to prevent unborn children from suffering the same fate at the hands of abortion doctors that the Jewish people suffered at the hands of the Nazis.

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  5. "I don't think anyone that refers to abortion as a holocaust is accusing pro-choice people of being Nazis."

    Yeah they do. The vast majority of the antis that I've encountered that use the "abortion is a Holocaust" talking point also call pro-choice people Nazis/Hitler youth.

    "I believe that anyone who supports laws that legalize abortion are supporting this holocaust."

    So then you're comparing us to Nazis. You're comparing doctors who are just trying to help women to people who senselessly tortured and murdered groups of people. You can't do this and then claim that you're being respectful.

    "How can my statements be insulting to survivors of the holocaust of the Jews during WWII, or their relatives?"

    You can't try to speak for all survivors and their relatives. I haven't met any survivors, but I've met some people who are related to victims of the Holocaust, and those that I know do NOT appreciate you comparing reproductive freedom to the horror of the Holocaust. You are minimizing the pain that Holocaust survivors and victims went through.

    "In doing so, they would help to prevent unborn children from suffering the same fate at the hands of abortion doctors that the Jewish people suffered at the hands of the Nazis."

    This makes no sense. First, you claim that you aren't comparing pro-choice people to Nazis. And then you go on to compare doctors to Nazis. There is a huge difference between reproductive freedom and torture. A huge, huge, difference.

    Paul, you are being repulsive and violent. There are consequences to words. You're vilifying and dehumanizing pro-choice people, particularly doctors. The anti-choice movement got Dr. Tiller, among others, killed. It wasn't just one murderer, or just one maniac. It was the result of words, like yours, that have brainwashed people into believing that it's okay to murder. You're supporting murder with your words. That's not respectful, that's not "pro-life".

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  6. Some how we are talking apple verus orange. Living people verus soon to be born.
    Only educating people not have sex verus the need to show what your life would become after only one time: stupid.
    Your hero only cares before birth but the children are on their own after birth. He only cares about the short time but not the long haul. Roe verus wade - 39 years - stop the fighting and feed a starving child today in the USA.

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  7. Anonymous - Thank you for responding. When you say "Some how we are talking apple [versus] orange. Living people [versus] soon to be born", are you saying that unborn humans are totally different than humans who have already been born? The only difference between a unborn human and a human that has already been born is that the unborn human is at an earlier stage of development. A fetus (unborn human) is still a human, and has a right to live.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "Only educating people [to] not have sex [versus] the need to show what your life would become after only one time". Please explain.

    I agree that people should care for humans during their entire life, not only when they are still in the womb. I don't believe, however, that the existence of needy children in the world justifies the killing of unborn children. I believe if is possible to care for all children, born and unborn.

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